Peaceful Religion, Peaceful People

Of course, I am talking about the peaceful religion ISLAM and the peaceful people Muslims. But this time the location is a bit different, it’s in Xinjiang, China.

2009 July Uighur Muslims initiated a well-planned riot in Urumqi (迪化) that killed at least 200 unarmed Han Chinese. When this first got exposed by the Western media, the liberal/leftist in the West allied with those Uighur in Western countries and accused Chinese government of using armed force to repress peaceful demonstration of Uighur. The Prime Minister of Turkey Erdoğan even accused China of genocide against the Uighur in Xinjiang. Well, after everyone figured out it was a ruthless and bloody riot from the Muslim Uighur against the Han Chinese, those people then start to talk about “Must respect the minority and protect them from Han retaliation”.

Of course Chinese handled delicately with this case. So only a handful of Uighur thugs were sentenced with extreme penalty, leaving the majority rest safe home making babies with their veiled wives like rabbits after they stormed the Han Chinese shops and beat them to death with knives and stones.

I said: let it be as a lesson to know what those warmonger tribesmen really are and change the strategy to deal with those Turkics. Then this time it happened again. Today the Uighur mobs stormed into a police station in Hotan (和闐), Southern Xinjiang, the stronghold for tribal Muslim warmongers, took hostages in the police station, rioting and wanted to (what they want? like those rebels in Libya?). This is what I read in the Chinese news from Hong Kong (they usually hold a relatively objective views towards such things in China). Funny thing is, once again, I heard two different voices from the English media, how familiar. One ambiguously said 4 people died in the clash with police and accurately quoted from World Uyghur Congress that police opened fire on peaceful demonstrators, which sparked the fighting; whereas the other one, which is more detailed accurately explained (closer to the Hong Kong coverage) that those 4 people are police and hostages held by the mobs in the police station, while also indicating several ATTACKERs were killed as well in the clash.

Honestly, even if the government is really repressing those minorities as demonized by those liberal/leftists in the West, which is literally non-sense in reality (social discrimination, maybe, but systematic repression nowadays? Not a single chance), that is not a justification for such barbaric actions. Having those warmonger uncivilized Muslims does absolutely no good but absolutely toxic to China. They are incapable for modern civilization, assimilation, and coexistence with other groups of people. So the Han Chinese went there and got rich and happy, they think the Chinese took their land and money. But what they never think about is that they NEVER really have or use any of those lands and resources other than herding sheep and building Mosques and crying  By shouting “allahu akbar!” they could well justify their Molotov and machete parties while the local Han Chinese can not really fight back because the central government thinks Uighur are the “minority”.

And to Western liberal/leftists, as long as I despise their behaviors, China is doing on its own. Those guys screwed up the Western civilization pretty much, and no way on earth we could let them mess up China as well. Keep saying that Islam is a peaceful religion and Muslims are peaceful people, and therefore pose no threat whatsoever to modern civilization. And most of all, they should be tolerated and respected a part of cultural diversity.

I say send all those Turkic warmongers to Turkey, good for everyone!

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22 comments

  1. We must differentiate between really peaceful Muslims (there are such people) and radical Muslims who fight in the name of Allah.

    I have Muslim friends who are just normal people like all of us. But even they say that almost every country in the world has problems with Muslim communities. The question is who provokes all these riots?

    My idea is: if you wanna follow strictly your religion (no matter what it is) stay where this reliogion is spread and dont try to change the world.

    Have you ever heard of Christian riots in Muslim countries?Do Christians fight for the right to build churches or to have their own TV?I dont think so.

    I respects everyone’s right as long as it does not interfere with mine (and, of course, I also do not try to enforce my beliefs). We all know the phrase – In Rome do as the Romans do so simply keep it!

  2. @the slitty eye – “But what they never think about is that they NEVER really have or use any of those lands and resources other than herding sheep….”

    well, in an attempt to be impartial, it has to be admitted that herding sheep is making use of the land. clearly sheep herding was their livelihood and they made their livelihood by being pastoralists on the land.

    you really can’t blame any people for being p*ssed off when another group of people enters the scene and wants to use, or even claim ownership of, the same territory that the first group was using/living on. like a lot of animals on the planet, humans are territorial creatures and will fight over territory.

    note that i’m not saying that the uighurs are in the right and the han chinese in the wrong. no. it doesn’t work that way. all that matters is that if you want a certain territory, you have to defend it. one needs to acknowledge and understand this if one wants to understand why peoples behave the way that they do.

    i also think it’s a lame argument to say “oh, those people never used the land anyway so we deserve it more.” i’ve said so before.

  3. They used the land argument to provoke the riot against Han Chinese in Xinjiang. Of course humans are territorial by nature, that’s why Uighur see Chinese as the infidel intruders.

    To hbd chick, you do have a point in this one, I was a bit emotional in this argument. I have already corrected it in my original post.

    Either way, I just hate the fact that they could start a riot with Molotov and machete in the Mosque while the Chinese civilians in Xinjiang are like tender sheep subject to the rigid and slow-motioned central government.

  4. May Allah bless China. It is kinda true – Muslims, whenever present in large numbers, are barbaric.

    A couple of anecdotes about individual Muslims:

    1. I’m an atheist, and therefore mock my parents’ religion – Hinduism – pretty often, often in public. It evokes a mild reaction, but nobody ever says or does anything. A Muslims “friend” used to join me when I mocked Hinduism, given the atavistic revulsion Muslims have for pagan religions. I had the misfortune of making a joke (an admittedly distasteful one) about Islam in the presence of this Muslim. I was beaten by the barbarian till I bled. Moral of the story: don’t piss Muslims off when they’re in close proximity. They’re out of control when it comes to taking even a joke about Islam.

    2. I had a Muslim friend who was an atheist when I used to hang out with him. He wound up going to the US to attend grad school, radicalized there, and kept sending mails about Zionists and evil Jews. When 9/11 happened he was happy and said so explicitly. By the time he was done with graduate studies, he despised America so much he didn’t want to work there (rare for an Indian) and returned to India. He’d grown a beard and become an ultra-orthodox Muslim by then. Moral of the story: liberalism is a disease that allows, nay, encourages such resentment to fester. There’s a reason he radicalized in the US and not in India.

    Another event: Mumbai, India got attacked a week ago and close to 20 people died and over a 100 were injured. The liberal MSM, seeking inspiration from the US MSM, went on and on about how this would lead to stereotyping. A shrill feminist teacher was pissed that when she asked her students to draw a terrorist, they all drew Muslim-looking people with long beards. Sigh! A shithole like India can’t afford liberalism. We have too many low-IQ sub-populations as it is, and they’re breeding like rabbits. The high-IQ sub-populations react to this through relentless self-flagellating, and by not producing many kids. Trivia: college-educated Indians have a total fertility rate well below replacement levels.

    1. Here is another true personal story of mine. I was in the States a few years ago, working in a summer resort together with lots of other young people from and out of the States. One time I was hanging with the international colleagues for lunch, somehow we ended up discussing about religion and personal belief. I clearly remember, there were two Ukrainians, one Egyptian Copt, two Turkish girl without veil, and myself. Those two Turkish girls were pretty normal when other introduced their Orthodox, Catholic, Copt Orthodox, Islam, and then me. As long as I said I am agnostic, those Turk girls couldn’t believe their ears and asked me to repeat what I said. The next thing I knew, they turned their surprising expression into a contemptuous look on me. They left the discussion immediately and told the rest not to talk to me, leaving me in a complete shock for minutes trying to figure out what just happened. That’s why I ended up talking about religion with Muslims

      1. Heh. Turks, as you know, are a huge problem in Germany.
        When I was in the US a while ago, I avoided any mention of my lack of religiosity. Americans also are not very fond of atheists/agnostics.

        This is worth reading:

        http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:qXiEZU2nwJ4J:blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/12/admissions-of-illiberalism/+admission+of+illiberalism+razib&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=in&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.co.in

  5. ” A shithole like India can’t afford liberalism”

    Well said. Alas nobody can’t really afford liberalism in the jet flight era. The third world is always too close.

  6. barbaric_hindoo_atheist_devil :

    Heh. Turks, as you know, are a huge problem in Germany.
    When I was in the US a while ago, I avoided any mention of my lack of religiosity. Americans also are not very fond of atheists/agnostics.

    This is worth reading:

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:qXiEZU2nwJ4J:blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/12/admissions-of-illiberalism/+admission+of+illiberalism+razib&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=in&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.co.in

    Very nice article, absolutely agree with it.

  7. “We must differentiate between really peaceful Muslims (there are such people) and radical Muslims who fight in the name of Allah.”

    The Quran differentiates. The peaceful Muslims are called false.

    “I have Muslim friends who are just normal people like all of us.”

    Maybe. Or maybe if you learned their natural language you would find them saying the most obscene things about you. This happens quite regularly in the several States wherein a White person speaks Arabic unbeknownst to the Muslims present. Their words convict them and their hate.

    “But even they say that almost every country in the world has problems with Muslim communities. The question is who provokes all these riots?”

    Exactly. Who indeed? Considering that government uprisings are almost always immediately squashed in those countries with the riots, one is informed that the “riots” are actually government sponsored. The exceptions appear to be in the west with a tolerance for the right of “civilized” persons to assemble. And now it appears in China. A large surprise to me.

    “My idea is: if you wanna follow strictly your religion (no matter what it is) stay where this reliogion is spread and dont try to change the world.”

    You’re not terribly educated to what it means to “strictly follow your religion” based on the Quran are you? Because it requires spreading and changing the world.

    “Have you ever heard of Christian riots in Muslim countries?Do Christians fight for the right to build churches or to have their own TV?I dont think so.”

    Since Jews have mostly been removed from the majority of Muslim countries, Islamic hate and Allah’s hate (one of the most devious of all Pagan deities) has turned towards the Christian. Those who think that the end of Israel would mean the end of Islamic tensions are sorely deluded.

    “Either way, I just hate the fact that they could start a riot with Molotov and machete in the Mosque while the Chinese civilians in Xinjiang are like tender sheep subject to the rigid and slow-motioned central government.”

    I had expected the Chinese would not tolerate such things. I’m sadly surprised. So much for my hopes that if I had to live in a totalitarian state it could be with Chinese rather than Muslim controls. I suppose there is a reason I am opposed to centralized government.

    “Americans also are not very fond of atheists/agnostics.”

    Depends on where you are.

    Thanks for the stories yall. Here’s a discussion I had in detail with a Muslim. It’s a long read so the short version. The Free Software Community is overrun with leftists. Any accusation is of course automatically true. As a Pagan I have to be especially watchful of monotheists and their designs on our annihiliation. Christianity has mostly grown up, Jews could care less about Pagans. Muslims on the other hand have do not give us the option to become dhimmi as they do Jews and Christians. Instead it is convert or death.

    For noticing this leftists will refer to me as an Islamaphobe. I immediately put a stop to such language as it is ableist. Why should a person with a validly diagnosed medical condition have their illness conflated with purported hate of any group (muslims, homosexuals, whatever). As I have pointed out to them countless times, you cannot defend an ISM by PRACTICING an ism right in your own defense.

    In this particular case a Christian extols Islam for being opposed to the same things Christians are opposed to (polytheism, homosexuality/fornication etc). Now, the very same persons that say I am an Islamphobe for noticing the Islamic tenets for genocide of Pagans, said not one word. I objected, and a Muslim stepped in. The conversation ended with him saying “just wait until we take over your country”. A very clear threat. In the face of this very clear threat did any of the usual suspects object to his marginalizing a polytheist, polysexual, polyamours, homosexual supporting, abortion supporting, Pagan? Of course not. It really confirms the point that they’re not about defending the “other” but about stripping persons of their dignity.

    http://pthree.org/2010/09/09/ramadan-week-4/

    1. Chinese government sucks big time. It is a paper tiger. Getting all bluffing and shouting towards its own people, but always flaccid towards minority issues. But at least it has much firmer control than Western government (Chinese will never allow Sharia shit in Xinjiang for sure, unlike UK).

      1. The attacks of Muslims against the Chinese IS Sharia. Sharia Law is just Muslim Law, the things they are commanded in the [ig]Noble Quran. One of the things they are commanded to do is constantly fight everyone.

  8. The Slitty Eye :
    Either way, I just hate the fact that they could start a riot with Molotov and machete in the Mosque while the Chinese civilians in Xinjiang are like tender sheep subject to the rigid and slow-motioned central government.

    yes. well, muslims do tend to go for the violent route pretty quickly, afaics, i’ll agree with you on that one. and, as you know, it’s not just the chinese gov’t that is slow in responding to them. i’m sad to learn, tho, that the chinese gov’t doesn’t respond more quickly to them. i think a firm hand is required with these populations because that’s what they understand. strength and firmness — not any wishy-washy pc behavior. (don’t know if the chinese gov’t is guilty of pc-ness when it comes to muslims, but obviously western authorities are.) firm but fair, of course.

    1. Chinese government is to a lesser extent twisted by its self-derived “minority policy”. Of course to most hard-core western liberal/leftist those are just propaganda bogus. But to me, I see it as an artificial policy to favor the minorities over Han Chinese in China. To tell you a story, minority are superior in National Higher Education Entrance Examination, One Child Policy, Employment, Welfare etc. One of my cousin married a girl who is half Chinese half Miao. The girl self-identifies as Miao, and their baby, though carried my family name, is also labeled as the tribal Miao, just because it makes their baby much more advantageous in competition with the unfortunate 100% Han Chinese. This is really absurd! Either way, a common dispute between two citizens in China, if one is identified as minorities, 8 out 10 chances the Chinese is going to lose the dispute. Man, I try to figure out why the government is such a sissy nowadays (only towards minorities, the government never really hesitates to repress Chinese discontent at the same time). It’s not particular about Muslims though, it’s about “minority”. The only explanation I could have is that those governmental officials think making minorities equal will go against their communist propaganda and give an excuse for the West to bash us. Either way, I found this explanation rather stupid, given the fact that Muslims have done tremendous harm to Western and Southwestern China in the last 200 years. One thing I found consolatory is that Han Chinese still represent 91% of the population in China, so in my lifetime there’s still a possibility to deal with issues in China.

      By the way, back in the days we would either deport them to central Asia like the Dongans or wipe them all like the Muslims riot in Yunnan. But nowadays, it is IMPOSSIBLE to have such effective options… very sad indeed.

  9. Yea, confirmed. they were really shouting allahu akbar and planned to kill as many as possible, even the Uighur policemen who sided with the Chinese. Here is the news article from Hong Kong Yahoo (relatively more neutral than Chinese propaganda a Western liberal-controlled media)

    Check it in the google translator, i think it’s pretty much self-explanatory:
    http://hk.news.yahoo.com/%E6%96%B0%E7%96%86%E6%81%90%E8%A5%B2-%E7%9B%AE%E7%9A%84%E5%B0%B1%E6%98%AF%E6%AE%BA%E4%BA%BA-%E7%9B%AE%E6%93%8A%E5%82%B7%E5%AE%B3%E5%A9%A6%E5%AD%BA-%E6%B4%BE%E5%87%BA%E6%89%80%E9%95%B7-%E6%B2%92%E8%BE%A6%E6%B3%95%E5%8F%AA%E8%83%BD%E9%96%8B%E6%A7%8D-211310492.html

  10. Of course, I am talking about the peaceful religion ISLAM and the peaceful people Muslims. But this time the location is a bit different, it’s in Xinjiang, China.

    lol, okay — “Islam” made them chimp out. (Do you attribute black American social pathologies to “Baptism”?) It’s weird how self-proclaimed “HBD” types can talk so guilelessly about “violent Muslims” as though Islamification were immersion into a potentiating solution able to strip away all racial preconditions.

    It goes without saying that the idea of the kafir gives rhetorical form to anti-Han animus amongst the Uyghurs, but — to phrase it more delicately than I should — it’s short-sighted to think that’s the end-all be-all of it … I notice that you’ve nothing to say about the Hui.

    Of course Chinese handled delicately with this case.

    Yes, delicate measures like detaining thousands and “disappearing” God knows how many, slamming the main thoroughfares with armored personnel carriers and troops like a reenactment of Basra c. 2003, and shutting off the entire province’s Internet for a year.

    Have you ever even been to Ürümqi? (And I mean the real Ürümqi, not the all-Han parts.) Its tenor is that of an occupied city — shotgun-wielding paramilitaries in black body-armor march randomly into market stalls and restaurants and scrutinize you from the sunshades of permanent sidewalk outposts; loudspeakers whine and blare as wheeled patrols barrel through the bazaars (lame assemblages of storefronts that they now by regulation are); intersections pop with the audible flash of a dozen bulbs as surveillance cameras (the city has 40,000+) trace the contours of every last vehicle and pedestrian.

    <em?Today the Uighur mobs stormed into a police station in Hotan … rioting and wanted to (what they want? like those rebels in Libya?).

    So these Uyghurs risked life and limb to openly confront the state apparatus … for no reason in particular? (Or maybe it was “Islam”?) I’m sure those accounts of family members’ detentions, land repossession disputes, etc., are all suspect in your eyes, so let’s say for argument’s sake that they were unvarnished “splittists” (typically idiotic Engrish neologism).

    Could the fact that — thanks to PRC fiat — Han Chinese went from 5% of Xinjiang’s population to over 40% (more like 80% in Ürümqi) between 1940 and 2000 have anything to do with it? Do you deny that the Uyghurs became demographically and politically dispossessed in their homeland with breathtaking rapidity, that the reins were seized by racial aliens with radically distinct folkways, temperaments, and aesthetic-moral frameworks? (I’ll encourage any White Americans reading to “Imagine 2050″…)

    Having those warmonger uncivilized Muslims does absolutely no good but absolutely toxic to China. They are incapable for modern civilization, assimilation, and coexistence with other groups of people.

    So why not divest yourself of them?

    I hope these “uncooked barbarians” resist the most tender ministrations of the cleaver and the blanching pot … but if they go down the gullet of the alimentary state, let them at least give it a fatal indigestion.

    But what they never think about is that they NEVER really have or use any of those lands and resources other than herding sheep and building Mosques and crying 

    The struck-out text, retracted or not, is telling. Did you really think that the Uyghurs were living like pastoral Kyrgyz before your kinsmen swarmed onto the scene? Were you even aware that Chagatai was a literary language? That’s rather beside the point, actually… If some ant-like calculus of “efficiency of use” is your chief qualifier of territorial possession, then that’s as much as I need to know about you.

    By shouting “allahu akbar!” they could well justify their Molotov and machete parties while the local Han Chinese can not really fight back because the central government thinks Uighur are the “minority”.

    Well, it wouldn’t be very sporting to deny the sheep their rams …

    … but better a howl than a bleat, however hoarse.

  11. Ortu Kan:

    First of all, thank you for your reply. Though clearly we hold different views, but I still appreciate you spent time to read my howling and howled back with a lengthy reply. Let me address you the points you have raised.

    “lol, okay — “Islam” made them chimp out. (Do you attribute black American social pathologies to “Baptism”?) It’s weird how self-proclaimed “HBD” types can talk so guilelessly about “violent Muslims” as though Islamification were immersion into a potentiating solution able to strip away all racial preconditions.”

    I didn’t strip away racial preconditions here. Islamization do impose weird effect to converge different groups of people, Semitic,black, Turkic, Malay, Pakistani etc, with the Arabic worldview and customs. Islam is the warrior’s religion. All the traditional/ethnic identities and customs among different converted-Muslim groups are diminishing rapidly especially with the rise of Islamic revitalization movement (along with Islamic fundamentalism) in the post-WWII era. Uighur, once Buddhists allies of the Chinese for hundreds of years, is no exception of turning back on infidel ruling (this is not the case when they were still infidel riders in the medieval age. https://theslittyeye.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/tangs-hegemony-in-central-asia-episode-1-the-outreach-of-the-empire/). You were pretty optimistic on Islam. I beg to differ. Maybe it’s my biggest cognitive bias, but I am willing to be convinced if it makes sense. But I don’t think you were providing sufficient evidence to support your optimism about Islam. You are always welcome to try to convince me with facts.

    “Yes, delicate measures like detaining thousands and “disappearing” God knows how many, slamming the main thoroughfares with armored personnel carriers and troops like a reenactment of Basra c. 2003, and shutting off the entire province’s Internet for a year. Have you ever even been to Ürümqi? (And I mean the real Ürümqi, not the all-Han parts.) …)”

    Dude, let’s be fair here, the government was the one who refrained the large-scale Han retaliation in Urumqi after the Uighur riot in 2009. Untamed rioting from 80% Han Chinese (which government could always closed one eye to allow it happen) could exterminate the remaining fragile Uighur in the city. There have been some detentions of course, what else you gotta do to calm down the angry Chinese whose relatives got beaten ferociously for being Chinese? Plus, I don’t think thousands of detention is an exaggeration of the total amount of should-be-jailed criminals in the riot. Btw, for your information, it turned out that most of those riots were not really the local Uighur in the city, who are much much more integrative with the Chinese than the Southern Xinjiang Uighurs which most of those mobs came from. I haven’t been to Urumqi, but I could understand the drastic increase of the level of alert in the city after the riot. After all, if the city you all of sudden experienced an unexpected utterly violent riot, how could the government calm the remaining people down other than increasing the security level in the city? As far as I know, most of those surveillance measures are to protect the local Uighur from Han retaliation (like those pictures you provided).

    “So these Uyghurs risked life and limb to openly confront the state apparatus … that the reins were seized by racial aliens with radically distinct folkways, temperaments, and aesthetic-moral frameworks? (I’ll encourage any White Americans reading to “Imagine 2050″…)”

    It is true that public protest and demonstrations are not uncommon in China, especially in rural regions. But none of those incidents are as violent and brutal as what the Uighur did (not even the Tibetan riot in 2009). That should tell you something. I simply don’t get the logic why the Uighur skipped massive demonstration and directly jumped to a bloody riot all of a sudden. If you follow the Hotan incident closely, you will find out that once again the mobs were rioting in a swift and precise manner. From an interview by a Hong Kong journalist, several locals expressed their shocks on the riot, citing that the tension between Han and Uighur in the city is not a major issue at all, where over 90% are ethnically Uighur. Once again, those mobs weren’t locals. If they really fought for the unfair treatment from the government, like you said massive detention of their relatives and land deprivation, I would be expecting a total regional uprising. This is obviously not the case. If those mobs wanted to establish an Islamic emirate within Chinese territory, why wouldn’t the Chinese call them separatists? I don’t get the point why you were mocking the Chinese on that term (as Eta to Spain, IRA in Northern Ireland).
    Regarding your demographic shift claim. Your figures are roughly correct, I have to say. But what you don’t see is the real situation beyond those figures. Let me tell you something about Xinjiang. The massive Chinese settlement in Xinjiang is mostly ruled by a parallel para-military administrative system to the existing provincial government in Xinjiang (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_Production_and_Construction_Corps). Why? Because before 50 and 60s, Xinjiang is sparsely populated, there’s massive lands for immigration. The Chinese settlers didn’t move to Uighur cities to live door to door, instead, most of them built completely new cities on uninhabited lands (Aral, Shihezi, Kuytun etc.). Meantime the Uighur still stays at where they were, there ain’t gonna reporting of major conflict with regard to land possession dispute as far as i know. Moreover, most Uighur concentrate in South Xinjiang, whereas majority Chinese resides in the Northern Xinjiang, a traditional place for the Mongols, Kazakhs, and the Chinese as well. If you look at the demographic closely, you will find your accusation on land dispute very absurd. The way Chinese settled is way different from the Jews in Palestine (I suppose it’s where the idea of land dispute you could associate with). There are a few settlement points in South, most of them completely newly built cities by the Chinese rather than expelling the Uighur to the desert. But of course the Uighur are annoyed about Chinese presence, but once again, Chinese is not occupying their land, Xinjiang has been under consistent Chinese control for hundreds of years (not counting the Han and Tang times). Btw, you should read my article about the One Child Policy in China, Uighur is bidding on the next generation to out-compete the Chinese in population. But that annoys me. So don’t even start with cliche moral ethic arguments here. Let’s be reasonable.

    “So why not divest yourself of them? I hope these “uncooked barbarians” resist the most tender ministrations of the cleaver and the blanching pot … but if they go down the gullet of the alimentary state, let them at least give it a fatal indigestion.”

    I am purely bitching the ugly facts here, so I got nothing to defend for it. It’s purely emotional. So does your reply. You could anti-China as much as want emotionally, I don’t care.

    “The struck-out text, retracted or not, is telling…”

    You are wrong about me. I did admit I was being bigoted in that point later (see previous comments) and deleted that line. As pointed out by hbd chick already, land claim is a very lame argument. You were using that on your comment (in your or Israel’s logic Uighur could kick the Mongols away for it’s their ancient homeland). I admitted I was rather emotional when I wrote this sentence. I shouldn’t be so biased against the Uighur (giving credit to the majority of the peaceful ones). In fact, Uighur is indeed very smart people, as I recently found out more information about them when I was conducting my research on the medieval age central Asia. Once again, I don’t think it’s appropriate to use “ant-like calculus of “efficiency of use” for “land possession”. I was, but got convinced with more reasonable explanation. I would hope for a big integration and coexistence future in Xinjiang still, though the hope is frail as long as those fundamentalists keep stirring the racial tension and hatred.

    “Well, it wouldn’t be very sporting to deny the sheep their rams …”

    Let’s be fair, the picture you showed is exactly what the government has to largely restrain in Urumqi last year. The ONLY reason there’s no major deadly retaliation is because of the presence of central government. Seriously, if some other groups killed 200 your people, wouldn’t you want to go on the street and retaliate? Don’t play the moral cards here. It’s NEVER black and white in those conflicts. Once again, for your information, I wasn’t bullshiting about their shouting Allah akbar in Hotan riot. It was confirmed by various sources. To me, I rather see them with slogans like “give back my people, give back my land or whatever” than “Allah whatever”. And I wouldn’t be this emotional when I wrote the original article.

    I would continue howling, but hopefully not as hoarse as you thought. Any reasonable disagreement is welcome at any time.

  12. Civilians killed in China stabbing spree
    Once again. How do you justify this?

    So because Chinese ruled over the place, the Uighur retaliated by killing random people on the street? It does remind me of the Chechnya in Russia, the image of surge of Islamic fundamentalism, and Mosque…

    Kasghar has always been a stronghold for Uighur nationalists. Continuous rioting since Qing cleared Aq Tagh rioting in 1759 in Southern Xinjiang. It’s sad to see that nowadays those Uighur nationalists steer themselves closer to religious justification, that is Islamic fundamentalism for their independence claim. There are numerous evidences that do link those groups of people to Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan. It’s disheartening to point out that the situation would only intensify and escalate once Uighur nationalists embraced Islamic fundamentalism, which means there’s less and less room for co-existence and peaceful resolution. China has largely successful minority policy aside from Uighur in Southern Xinjiang and Tibetans in Tibetan Plateau. There are minimal ethnic conflicts in the rest of China. As far as I understand it, Uighur and Tibetan’s strong religious affiliation act as one of the major hurdles in complying with the Chinese authority (even Hui are away more integrated to China culturally and religiously as well). If we are only dealing with Uighur nationalism here, there’s always common grounds for compromise and negotiation, but if this trend of Islamic fundamentalism continues to merge with Uighur nationalism, I do foresee, however sadly, that it would push for a serious Chinese retaliation from the government, like many previous times in history.

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